COLLECTORS SQUADRON/MARKINGS RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ARMOUR 2001 AIRCRAFT
compiled and posted Sept 6, 2000
Dave, Hope Oskhosh went well for
you.On the plane front
1. Spitfire ( depends on the mark) in RCAF in 403 Squadron markings as they
have a Wolf motif ( I have a bias as my dad was attached to 403 during WWII
and flew spits). Or 402, 412, 416 Squadrons. Code letters on fuselage for
403 were KH ( roundel) then plane designation letter ( Colours Ocean Grey,
Dark Green on surface, Med Sea Grey underneath, black spinner). Or desert
colours again RCAF ( red spinners, Azure blue underneath, Brown and dark
brown surfaces.)
2. A 10 Warthog - How about the 195th
National Guard Fighter Sqn colours
and motifs out of Idaho. I am sure Vice Coimmander Pat PatO O'Rorke would be
pleased to see a model in that groups colours.
3. ME 262 - whatever - how a bout a night fighter colours.
4. Mitchel - How about those Mitchell
that were used in the Italian
campaign in similar markings.
5 Hell cat - anything blue
6. P 47 Thunderbolt - depending on model how about Zemke's.
7. Huey - green would be nice (:))
I wish I could have spent more time researching for you. See
attached on RCAF 403 Sqn. In addition check out the following website for
more plane info on Canadian aces during WWII that flew Spitfires ( the US
Eagle Sqn would also be neat to see as they all flew Spits before converting
over to P51 Mustangs and P47 Thunderbolts.
Cheers Tom Fly Safe.
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Dave,
In response to your request for
markings on the Armour 2001 releases, here are
my candidates.
1. Spitfire
Depends on the Marks they are going to produce, but I would vote for a late
war
Mk. XIV (black spinner, no fuselage band)
A desert camouflaged 92 Squadron Mk. V
A high Altitude Mk. VII/VIII in the overall light blue Camouflage.
A RAF/RAAF Spitfire with South East Asia Command markings
A RN Seafire
2 Me-262
A JV44 plane
A 2 seat nightfighter
A JG7 machine with stab markings
2. B-25
Any 345 BG (Air Apaches) Machine, But specifically A late war natural metal
B-25J strafer named Dirty Dora 2 from the 499 BS. Dark blue Bat head looks
good
against natural metal finish
A PBJ from USMC Squadron VMB-611 (would require radome on nose of aircraft)
A PBJ from any other USMC squadron
3. F6F
A nightfighter from USMC Squadron VMF (N)-541 (nice nose art)
A nightfighter from USMC squadrons VMF(N)-533, VMF(N)-542 or VMF-511
A photo recon plane from USMC squadron VMD-354
4. P-47
Any 56th Fighter Group P-47M, specifically one from the 61st fighter Squadron
(would be nice to have a sample from each of the squadrons)
Any other 56th FG P-47D
A 353d FG machine
A 35th FG machine
5 Huey
A UH-1E Gunship from USMC squadron HML-367 (nice markings- black
tailboom with squadron emblem on side)
A UH-1E Gunship from USMC Squadron HML-267 (nice colorful markings)
I suggest leaving the B-25 in 1/48
scale. It shouldn't be much larger than an
A-10 in the same scale.
Thanks,
Steve Blue
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Hi Dave,
I'm out at my folks place, but will certainly
participate... but a couple
of questions... what mark spitfire (my vote would be for an "E" wing
Mk IX)
but what mark would be a big factor in what historic paint jobs to apply.
The same for the P-47 Thunderbolt... bubble canopy or razorback (there
were "neater" paint schemes for the bubble models, but were more
historically significant razorbacks).
Pat Foley
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Folks
My input follows:
Spitfire - 1) A plane from the Eagle Squadron (133 Sqdrn) in its U.S.
markings. 2) A Spitfire from No. 303 (Polish) Sqdrn, circa 1942, preferably
the
one flown by Capt. Jan Zumbach when he was commander of 303.
3) A Desert
Air Forces sand filter equipped Spitfire. 4) WgCom. Douglas Baders
aircraft coded 'DB"
A-10 Warthog - 1) An aircraft from the 23rd TacFtrWg,
ME262 the Flying Tigers ME 262 - 1) A Reichs Defense marked a/c with the rear
fuselage bands as worn by III/JG 7 in early 1945. 2)
The ME 262 that Luftwaffe
defector Hans Fay flew to the Allies. 3) A two-seater night fighter
version.
4) A KG 51 (Edelweiss Kampfgeschwader) bomber
variant as based at
Rheine airfield in Nov., 1944
B-25 Mitchell - 1) A -G model from
the 1st Air Commando's with the 75 mm
nose gun. 2) A -B model of one of the Doolittle Raiders. 3) A Desert Air
Forces type such as 487th BS, 340th BG with the yellow border around the
national insignia. 4) A 5th AF Air Apache -H model with the 8/12/16 .50
cal machine gun nose.
F6F Hellcat - Very little variations
were used here but you might
consider a post-war Naval Reserve paint scheme or a target drone color scheme.
P-47 Thunderbolt - 1) A razorback a/c
from the 8th Air Force's 5th
Emergency Rescue Squadron, May 44 - May 45. 2) An 8th AF 353rd Fighter
Group razorback with the D-Day stripes. 3) A P-47D of the 69th FtrSq,
58th FtrGp, 5th AF, New Guinea, 1944 with the white nose and white tail.
4) A P-47D of the 460th FtrSq, 5th
AF. The unit was called the Black
Rams and the plane flown by the CO, Maj. Bill Dunham was very well
marked.
Huey - I have very little input here
but one variant has to be a gun
ship and one has to be a Med-i-vac bird
Rich Lindsey
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Dave,
I am particularly interested in the following:
1. F6F Hellcat.
* Aircraft flown by LT Alexander Vraciu, VF-16, USS Lexington, June
19, 1944. He bagged six Yokosuka Judy dive bombers on this day to become the
Navy's leading ace with 18 kills.
* Aircraft flown by ENS Wilbur B. "Spider" Webb, VF-2, USS Hornet,
June 19, 1944. ENS Webb "surrounded" forty Japanese Val dive bombers
and
Zero fighters that were retuning from a mission to their base on Guam. He
radioed "Any American fighter pilot, the is Spider Webb at Orote
Peninsula, I
have 40 Jap planes surrounded and need a little help." Aboard the Hornet
after the battle, Web's aircraft was so badly damaged that it was pushed
overboard. He counted eight kills, but because of a defective gun camera,
he was credited with only six confirmed kills, plus two probables on that day.
2. P-47 Thunderbolt.
* Any ace from the European Theater of Operations (ETO).
* Any ace from the Pacific Theater of Operations (PTO), if any.
3. B-25 Mitchell
* Jimmy Doolittle's B-25 from the first raid on Japan.
Thanks,
Howard Melching
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1. B-25 Mitchell- 1) The Air Apaches
(don't know their number). 2)
Doolittle's squadron, if it isn't already in use, that the general used on
his bombing run over Tokyo.
2. F6F Hellcat- 1) Fighting Ten and
2) The Grim Reapers (both served
off the U. S. S. Enterprise (the original Big E). Don't know their numbers,
either. Fighting Ten used the F4F Wildcat during the battle of Midway, but
may have switched over to the F6F afterward, when their original aircraft
were replaced with the Hellcat). 3) Gregory "Pappy" Boyington's
squadron,
if they ever used the F6F. I know they used the Corsair, but everything else
is unknown.
3. Huey Helicopter- 1) The Kingsmen
(don't know their number, either).
They were a rescue and pick-up unit in Vietnam. I'm afraid those are the
only ones I can think of off the top of my head. Hoping to find out
something soon in this department.
See ya soon.
Brad Morgan
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F-14: The last USN Reserve F-14A ever
to serve. (NAS Fort Worth, TX)
This Aircraft was titled "Jim Bob" and had full red and black
markings on the nose and tail(VF-201)
F-16: The South Dakota ANG unit based
at Sioux Falls. The aircraft
have a very nice "wolf
head" scheme on the tail and nose art on
the cockpit section of the aircraft. The Iowa ANG based at Sioux City
had a Gold
50th anniversary F-16 that Armour
already produced in 1:100 scale. I suggest
1:48 scale as well.
The Israeli and Singapore Air
Force each have F-16D aircraft with dorsal spines
that wouldmake for a very intersting/unique eye
catching collector piece. The
Israeli a/c also are in desert camoflauge for an added bonus. The one
of a kind
VISTA NF-16D is also unique with a dorsal spine but
is very nicely painted
red white a blue overall scheme that
would really shine on one of their 1:48 models.
Last for the F-16 suggestions is the
LM AERO based F-16D Block 50 that has a
Texas Flag stripe on the tail along with the LM AERO "Star" logo.
F-15: The Israeli desert schemes are
always nice and their new F-15I
ground attack aircraft are eye catching as well.
F-18: The new "Canada 2000"
paint scheme on their F/A-18A would make
a great addition to the F-18 lineup
Secondly....I believe that if large
bombers are to be made by Armour that
they would best be done at a scale of 1:72 or smaller so the prices would
not be too high.
Finally..I have a list of suggestions for future Armour aircraft:
1:48 F-111
T-38/F-5
F-100
F-22
SU-27
1:72 C-130
707/C-135/KC-135
B-52
Well....the only thing that really grabs my attention for next years
lineup is the A-10. I will put my suggested squadrons at the end of
this e-mail but I have a few other questions about Armour. Firstly...do
they still make and are continuing to put out 1:100 scale aircraft.
Second...will they continue to add to the aircraft lines that they
already have out(1:48) with newer squadrons and if so, are they taking
requests in that area as well. Lastly, are they taking suggestions for
future aircraft series. I would appreciate any help you can give in
these areas. As for the A-10 squadrons..they are listed below
1. Any squaron that was based at Pope AFB and had a shark mouth (green)
2. Any squaron that was based at Pope AFB and had a shark mouth (grey)
3. The Reserve unit at New Orleans circa Gulf War
4. The Reserve unit at Barksdale (current)
Thanks and Cheers,
Andy Wolfe
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Dave,
These would be my choices for those die-cast aircraft:
1) Spitfire: Depending on which mark
of the 24 they decide to produce, I
would suggest the following pilots; Mk Vb, Ian "Widge" Gleed's
Desert Spit, Clive "Killer" Caldwell's Australian Mk Vc, (Or
Caldwell's
Australian Mk. VIII), Bob Tuck's Mk 1, Bader's Mk 2.
2) A-10 Warthog: The Iraqi chopper
killer flown by Captain Swain, any of
the light grey Bosnian campaign birds.
3) Me-262: Galland's, Steinhoff's, or Bar's would be nice!
4) B-25: An "Air Apache's"
498th Bomb Squadron Phillipine's Campaign
aircraft would be the cat's meow here....a Doolittle Raider is an obvious
selection!
5) F6F Hellcat: Dave McCampbell's
Minsi 3 would be cool, so too would a
French Navy bird from the IndoChina campaign (Vietnam 1953).
6) P-47 Thunderbolt: Neel Kearby's
"Fiery Ginger" Razorback, any markings
for Gabreski or Zemke.
7) Huey: Any "Slick" or Medevac bird would be nice....
Karl
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Hello Dave, And thank you for sending
me the questionaire for Armour. The
4-6 squadrons for each plane is a little tough for me, but maybe I can put
in a plug.
1.) Spitfire- There were plenty of squadrons which had the spit,
but they were not decorated to my knowledge with nose art to give them the
"individuality" to a given pilot. But Carrol McColphin, Brit ace
comes to
mind. Or the Eagle Sq. comprised of the 71 / 121 / 133 rd.
2.)A-10 none
3.)Me-262 - did only a few have these? so the selection may be set already.
4.) B-25 - alot of good nose art ,but I don't have the knowledge on them. A
set of Doolittle raiders sounds nice.
5.)F6F - alot of famous aces, but again limited nose art. Greats like
James Swett and Alex Vraciu come to mind.
6.)P-47 - Now here we go. 56th FG, with Gabreski and R Johnson. The
353FG with Duncan and Beckham to name a few. The 4 th FG / The 325th FG /
And the 348th.
7.)Huey-no info. I probably wasn't much help, but the ideaof having the
bombers at a smaller scale does sound practical. And if I can say one more
thing? Can Armour make the panel detail a lot more subtile? So the airplane
doesn't have that "building block" look. Thank you, Kevin.
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Here is my wish list from Armour:
Spitfire:
No. 616 "South Yorkshire" Squadron
No. 80 Squadron RAF
No. 64 Squadron RAF
F6F Hellcat:
VF-27 USS Independence - CVL22
VF-81 USS Wasp - CV18
VF-3 USS Yorktown - CV6
VF-17 USS Hornet - CV8
I would also like to see the Hawker Hurricane.
Thanks for allowing my input!
Skip Bessell
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1.supermarine spitfire 2A {DO FINLAY} Lo 41 sqn.
Hornchurch Dec 1940
2.Messerschmidt Me-262A 1/KG 51 {Achmer}
3.Republic P-47D-25 352nd FS; 363 FG; 8th AAF ( Rayden)
4 North American B25C-10 487th BS; 340th BG; 12th AAF (Sicily)
These are a few that jog my memory---Jon (caddyshack2@msn.com)________________________________________________________________
Hi Dave,
The only preference I have for
squadron markings is for the B-25. I would
like to see at least one of the Doolittle Raiders markings.
Best, Carl Seith
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Hi Dave,
I think the new bomber series by Armour should be
in 1:48th scale.
MIKE
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Huey Helicopter 'US Coast Guard'
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here's your input on upcomming Armour models
SSpitfire--you don't say
what series, but you can't go wrong with doing one of Johnny
Johnson's, the
top scoring British pilot--he flew them all from 1942 to 1945.
Another pleasing
scheme would be the Spit VB of Wing Commander John Kent, wing leader
for
Polish squadrons 303, 308 and 315 in 1941. Kent's starboard 20-mm
cannon
was labeled THOMAS and his port one was JOHN, which would be a nice
touch on a 1/48th model.
A-10....don't care
ME262--JG7, "Kommando Nowotny"....Notowotny's aircraft itself would be nice.
B-25..one of the Dolittle Raiders, or one of
Kenney's modified strafers with
the solid nose mounted .50s & cannon.
F6F--one of the night fighter varient's would be interesting
P-47...Gotta do the 56th squadron. How about
Robert Johnson's, or Hub Zemke,
or Gabby Gabreski's? I've also like the P-47 with a checkerboard
nose, and
the 82cnd, 78th and 350th squadrons of the 8th AF all had that.
Huey...don't care
tell Armour they need to start a 'freight dog'
series in 1/72ncd. I've love
to see everything from DC-3s and C-46s thru Dc-8s 707s and 747s in
the
colors of Seaborad, Slick, Riddle, Airlift, Transcon, and Flying
Tigers.
see ya, rick
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Dear Dave,
Here is my vote for the Armour models, those
are fantastic:
1. Supermarine Spitfire Mk VIII-IX 1943 Burma
2. Hawker Hurricane I Desert War 1942
3. De Havilland Mosquito Fighter Bomber Pathfinder 1943
4. B-25 Mitchell D-Day (weight and span?)
5. F6F Hellcat
6. P-47 Thunderbolt D-Day 47D-25 82nd FS Dux fordGB
7. Douglas C47 D-Day GB or US (weight and span?)
8. Douglas A20 Havoc D-Day
9. Bell P-39D Airacobra USSR
10. Consolidated B-24D Liberator 9th Airforce Benghazi Libya (weight
and span?)
11. Grumman Avenger TBF-1 USS Hornet Midway 1942
12. Hawker Tempest V RAF 56 Sqn 3 1944
13. Heinkel He 111H-2 Sicily 1942
14. Ilyushin Il-2M3 Stormovik 1942
15. Junkers JU52 Stalingrad 1942
16. Junkers JU88 A-4 Benghazi 1942
17. Lavochkin La-7 1944
18. Messerschmitt BF 110G 1943
19. Petlyakov Pe-2 1944
20. Savoia-Marchetti 79-II Sparviero Sicily 1942
Best regards, Frank from Switzerland
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Dave, My logic on the
bombers says to keep it at 1/48 scale.My main reasons are
1) the detail on their product is great and the bombers in
that scale would be
awesome, to reduce the scale would take away the details we
expect from Armour
2} all of their planes are in the same scale , why change
because of display
size??, isn't the Marushin bomber 1/48 ?? 3} If the the detail
and quality are
good, price shouldn't be a major factor, and finally, the
mahogney planes you
sell are quite large and displaying them are not a problem( I
have the b-17
and b-25 ) Dave, I would like to know what others think.
Thanks for letting me give my input.
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Dave and Sally,
Thank
you for including me in your survey. My primary interest is
U.S.
Navy, Korea through Vietnam, but I will offer a few
responses for next year
which might interest me. Comments will be under each of the
seven named
aircraft. And while I
have no strong opinion for the year 2001 aircraft, I would
like
to campaign for more naval aircraft from the '50's to the
'70s for the 2002
production
run. Might I suggest the F9F Panther/Cougar, the A-1
Skyraider,
the A-6 Intruder or the FJ-4 Fury.
Hope all the family is well.
David Lindley
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Hey Yall,
I would hope the Mitchell
will be produced at 1:48 to match the other
aircraft....
Jim LaNier
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SPITFIRE: 41 SQDN EB , 133 SQDN (EAGLE) MD , 402 SQDN AE , FOR ME-262
JG-7 , JG -44 (GALLAND)
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Dave,
Good morning !
I would like to add one more to my wish list - A4 Skyhawk.
Actually, I have several more Navy planes that I would like to have, but I
realize that Armour and other companies producing die-cast must select the
ones that have wide appeal and have a chance to produce a profit.
Hope you don't have to fly too much this weekend and can spent some
holiday
time with Sally and the kids. Have a safe and happy Labor Day.
David Lindley
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D
ave, for the smaller/medium bombers such as the B-25, I feel they shouldChris Mann
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Pat Foley
Dave,
I’ve
got a few inputs on some of the Armour planes slated for next year.
P-47
P-47D
Flown by Capt. Don Archer of the 48th Fighter Group, 493rd Fighter
Squadron (see attached jpeg, Wonderful Winnie at http://thehangar.dogfighter.com/images/Examples/CFS/Winnie_2K.jpg
)
P-47C,
Flown by LT. JOHN HERRICK, 82nd Fighter Squadron, 78th Fighter Group
(see attached jpeg, at http://thehangar.dogfighter.com/images/USAAF/P47C82nd_TNT.jpg
)
P-47C,
Flown by LT. WARREN E. GRAFF, P-47C, 82nd Fighter Squadron, 78th
Fighter Group, 41-6391 P-47C MX-Y, Shot down in this a/c 30 July 43,
Evaded Capture (see attached jpeg, http://thehangar.dogfighter.com/images/USAAF/P47C-ETO82nd.jpg
P-47D,
Flown by MAJOR GLENN EAGLESTON, 354th Fighter Group, 9th AAF, 18.5
kills (see attached jpeg at http://thehangar.dogfighter.com/images/USAAF/P47D%20354%20FG%202.jpg
)
P-47D-22
(42-26299), Flown by Capt.
Cameron Hart, 63rd FS/56th FG, Boxted, England, December 1944.
(see
attached jpeg at http://thehangar.dogfighter.com/Files/5-6-00/P47D-22Hart.jpg
)
P-47D-11
(42-75242), Flown by Capt. Michael Quirk, 62nd FS/56th FG, Halesworth,
England, February 1944. (see
attached jpeg at
http://thehangar.dogfighter.com/Files/4-20-00/p47DQuirk1.jpg
)
F6F
Hellcat
I
like the 2 showing on your Gearbox page, done by Armour (1:48 scale,
not so shiny)
Also,
I like the markings of the Hellcat flown by Capt. Dave McCampbell,
highest scoring naval ace of WW2 (see jpeg at http://www.flightjournal.com/f6f3.html
and at http://www.naval-air.org/The%20Aircraft/Color%20Pictures/F6F-3.jpg
)
The
Hellcat flown by Hamilton
McWhorter - First F6F Hellcat Ace, Fighting Squadron 9, USS
Essex; later Fighting Squadron 12, USS
Randolph, Shot down 12 enemy aircraft over the Pacific in World
War Two (as shown at http://www.westnet.com/~ssherman/usn_mcwhorter.html
)
B-25 Mitchell
My only request would be the obvious, the Doolittle’s Raider version
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Dave,
In response to the inquiry of Armour,I would like to see them stay with 1/48
scale up to the size of a B-17 or RAF Lancaster.I would remind them of the
Quality and size of the Marushin Betty. Anything larger than a B-17 in 1/48
is too large. As to specific units, I would like to see the 353rd FG for the
P-47; VF-6 for the F6F;and the Doolittle Raiders for the B-25.
PCH
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Again, I want to express our sincere appreciation for taking the time to participate in the polling requested by Armour! Each of you responded with very useful and thoughtful information on short notice! Thank You!! I suspect that the markings/squadrons chosen for next years releases will likely reflect your recommendations!!
Best Always,
Dave &
Sally

P.S. Look for this P-47 for
sure next year!!
(Thanks for the picture Tom!)